so, suppose someone stabs you...

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do you seek personal justice, and in doing so, perpetuate a violently racist hegemony?

Yes, I press charges for justice and/or restitution.
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No, I let the girl go and find some other way of paying my bills.
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Postby palms » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:30 am

...for your phone, then you found out who did it. would you press charges?

here's a scenario going on in my fb feed among people i don't/ barely know:

a few months ago, a young white male (19-21) moves into a notoriously violent and segregated neighborhood that is very slowly beginning to gentrify. although having been warned of the danger (mostly by black friends) of a white kid moving there alone, he does not listen and moves there anyway. cut to a few weeks ago, he is walking down a street in this neighborhood when a girl asks him to use his phone. when he hands it to her, she stabs him, and runs off with the phone. the girl is black. the stabbing is not life threatening but enough to warrant a hefty medical bill. a week or so later, he finds out that she stayed logged into icloud or some kind of cloud service and has been accidentally uploading enough personal information to be identified.

now: when he takes to facebook to share the good news, he is shocked to find that many people are a) blaming him for putting himself into the dangerous situation and b) vilifying him for turning in a clearly poor, possibly homeless young black girl into a grinding racist judical and prison system that, odds are, will do the opposite of rehabilitating her but instead send her into a cycle of further poverty and crime. for his part, he has no way to pay for the medical bills he has accrued, and is somewhat understandably upset that he got fucking stabbed. it has been floated that he turn to social media and crowdfund the medical bills, but i think the odds of that succeeding is slim.

so, suppose someone stabs you for your phone, then you found out who did it. would you press charges?

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Postby Kenny » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:33 am

She could have done a lot of other things besides stabbing him to get the phone, I'd definitely press charges
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Postby Kwisatz Haderach » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:36 am

None of the other factors justify the stabbing.
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Postby lawn dart blues » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:40 am

I'm not reading all that, but yes you should press charges against the person who stabs you
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Postby Ted Pikul » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:41 am

I don't see why you wouldn't press charges
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Postby The Priest » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:43 am

Yeah I think if only to discourage more stabbings maybe pressing charges is appropriate.
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Postby hbb » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:43 am

She stabbed him
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Postby lawn dart blues » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:43 am

wait I just read it and I change my mind. the stabber was a black? girl? let her go; this white guy sounds like a real piece of trash and if I had been there I would have finished the job
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Postby hbb » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:45 am

These do-gooders wouldn't think twice about stabbing a police horse
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Postby wildarms » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:46 am

how does pressing charges get his bills paid?
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Postby lawn dart blues » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:46 am

it just does
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Postby Milk » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:47 am

especially since there's no way to know if she really knew what she was doing. Anytime you put a knife in someone my thinking is you may accidentally kill them. So fuck that.


pretty sure doing any of this will not get him back his hospital bill money though. For sure IF you can afford to not live in a potentially dangerous area then you shouldn't. But if he was really slumming it i think he'd have no issues paying his medical bills.
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Postby wildarms » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:48 am

i mean if i stabbed someone i'd rather not have charges pressed against me
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Postby cooly » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:49 am

I never sued the woman who hit me with a car even tho I had like 0 dollars bc I was just starting my phd program out of college

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Postby Ted Pikul » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:50 am

The only reason I can think to not press charges is the stabbing was probably not premeditated

On the other hand, she stabbed him
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Postby cooly » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:54 am

I think the argument is that by gentrifying he created a situation that wouldn't otherwise exist and he can choose if it ends with him being harmed or with her going to jail

I probably wouldn't press charges but I wouldn't judge someone for doing so
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Postby separator » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:55 am

lol
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Postby palms » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:56 am

wildarms wrote:how does pressing charges get his bills paid?

this is one thing i don't fully understand. there are references to restitution and medical bills being a big part of the decision making but i'm not familiar with the process so i cant comment. my understanding is that they would charge the girl or her family or whatever related parties for as much money as possible, even if it doesn't necessarily cover the full amount?
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Postby cooly » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:57 am

her stabbing insurance covers it
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Postby shark week » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:07 am

pry my phone from my cold stabbed hands
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Postby robot_by_the_river » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:09 am

letting a fender bender or even a straight mugging go is ight, but a stabbing is fucked
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Postby shark week » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:10 am

i need to know the name of the neighborhood before i can judge this person
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Postby cooly » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:12 am

I don't think it's that far-fetched to think that you should consider the potential effects of placing charges on someone in the actual world before you press charges and ask if it's worth it. Ideally we'd live in a world with a fair judicial system and you could place charges if someone wronged you without worrying about unjust effects that are likely to follow, but we don't. Kid will recover from this, but it's not guaranteed she will. Like I said it wouldn't even cross my mind to attack this kid for pressing charges tho. I don't think the worry is totally laughable either
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Postby tatiana maslany » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:12 am

if someone stabbed and robbed me and i found out who they were i would choke them until they stopped breathing forever

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Postby robot_by_the_river » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:13 am

also for a phone shes apparently just dicking around with.

You stab me for MONEY god dammit
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Postby shark week » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:13 am

i don't believe in retributive justice
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Postby shark week » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:13 am

i don't believe in retributive justice

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Postby tatiana maslany » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:14 am

like ive been robbed at gunpoint but there was no actual damage to my person

you don't stab people and then it's fine now
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Postby robot_by_the_river » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:14 am

its a totally valid concern though, yes.
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Postby Ted Pikul » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:15 am

The problem with this scenario is that it's a very specific hypothetical that's also pretty unlikely
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