The 2020 Primary

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Postby tgk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:28 pm

bernie and particularly, warren, are not polling well with african american voters and i'm not sure how they plan on breaking through to what is now biden's stronghold.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:29 pm

light rail coyote wrote:not if joe spends the entire primary talking about how well he gets along with segregationists or condescendingly shitting on people who have student and medical debt, two issues that are very much at the forefront for the majority of the "obama coalition" which was mostly POC and voters under 30.


well people under 45 mostly aren't gonna vote for him
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Postby mcwop23 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:30 pm

there’s a path for bernie with the debates coupled with people starting to pay attention which most aren’t yet
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Postby coop » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:39 pm

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Postby tgk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:43 pm

mcwop23 wrote:there’s a path for bernie with the debates coupled with people starting to pay attention which most aren’t yet


I hope you're right but im dubious
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:45 pm

I'm in an Ohio union hall and everyone at nearby tables can't stop talking about Stephanie Cutter
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:51 pm

tgk wrote:
mcwop23 wrote:there’s a path for bernie with the debates coupled with people starting to pay attention which most aren’t yet


I hope you're right but im dubious


hillary was up ~20 in june 2007 with basically the same coalition biden has. it is true that older voters of color in particular historically can be very conservative about coming around to candidates -- even obama, a once-in-a-generation talent -- but i do not think this is an impossible task, especially with so many candidates in the race
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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:58 pm

tgk wrote:bernie and particularly, warren, are not polling well with african american voters and i'm not sure how they plan on breaking through to what is now biden's stronghold.


hillary was polling better with POC too, and POC turnout had a huge decline in 2016 and it was a big part of why she lost.
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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:01 pm

the declining poc turnout in milwaukee was enough to help her lose wisconsin, for example
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Postby tgk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:02 pm

ok so we know how to lose an election, how do we win it?
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:06 pm

with a little happiness in our life and a lot of love in our heart
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Postby tgk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:07 pm

fat fucking chance of that happening.
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Postby light rail coyote » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:08 pm

i don't have a sure-fire plan, but running candidates that don't spend the majority of their time scolding the people that they need to vote for them seems like a good start, as is running candidates who might actually be able to make inroads with grassroots groups that are already good at voter mobilization, which is a lot easier to do if you have a platform that's consistent with things that groups are already working on.
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Postby Feech La Manna » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:19 pm



Here comes rich ass gamer Bernie
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Postby tgk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:25 pm

bernie gonna livestream a thrilling game of

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Postby walt whitman » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:54 pm

biden's best chance for success is not doing public appearances at all and just allowing voter's imaginary projection of him rekindle their nostalgia for obama through to election day
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Postby walt whitman » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:54 pm

he's certainly the most popular 'hypothetical' candidate
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Postby walt whitman » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:57 pm

my guess is warren and bernie will continue to cannibalize/split their own supporters and give a pathway to biden
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Postby odilon redon » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:16 pm

which scenario do you guys think would more doom the party to a trajectory of continuing along the appeal to squishy “centrist liberalism”: biden beating trump in 2020, or sanders/warren losing to trump?
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Postby tgk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:24 pm

Well even if sanders won they'd claim we need centrism going forward
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Postby draw » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:26 pm

c. sanders inheriting a catastrophic market collapse
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:27 pm

who wiped this time

it wasn't me
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Postby Polygraph Shakira » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:38 pm

it was me but I used too small a slice
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Postby big zorb » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:47 pm

struttin' evil mushroom wrote:who wiped this time

it wasn't me


it was me. all my beautiful posts gone...
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Postby tgk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:50 pm

I fucking swear if biden had just run in 16 he woulda won and the republicans would be running bearded ted cruz against him in 2020
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Postby came to wreck » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:52 pm

probably
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Postby surly » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:12 pm

big zorb wrote:
struttin' evil mushroom wrote:who wiped this time

it wasn't me


it was me. all my beautiful posts gone...

if only
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