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Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:27 pm
by Marlon Rando
yeah i guess

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:28 pm
by came to wreck
galactagogue wrote:
truncated wrote:
brian dennehy fan wrote:guy behind me laughed waaaaaaay too hard at pitt's mexican line and only good indian is a dead one movie title read


Yeah my theater ate all the iffy race shit up. To a degree that seemed beyond the film's intentions, the type we had that correct thread premise that was stupidly shit all over about.

I want to go back for a 2nd viewing but likely won't just based on how edgelordy the audience felt the get to/need to(?) be for a ninth film by director Quentin Tarantino. It needs crushing beer and getting hazy on a stuffed couch to it, on one's lonesome.



I saw this with a mexican person and they laughed harder than anyone in the theatre at the 'don't cry in front of the mexicans' line. i'm not saying that renders all problematic interpretation moot. idk, i will really need to rewatch this but as a POC who watched with other POC the racial stuff didn't land with much vitriol or even problematic tropiness. I can see the anger about the depiction of Bruce Lee but it also feels weird to reduce the treatment to a conversation about race as if Bruce Lee wasn't an icon for EVERYONE. I'm sure the choice of mocking that status is super deliberate and I don't doubt the backlash was expected—and I can see a critique where making the this choice anyways can feel like trolling, but I just tend to read it more as an opener for dealing with the tropes as opposed to more of the same. Maybe I'm being too generous though !

:continues to comb thru thread to find more shit to react to days later...:


i saw this with someone half native american and they didnt mind the dead indian line tbh

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:49 pm
by came to wreck
easy wrote:yes

for ad astra


you like to respond to my posts it seems

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:50 pm
by Marlon Rando
Marlon Rando wrote:do y’all ever wonder when you’re watching a movie by Quaton Taradino what it would be like if we gave other people money to make grownup movies, like if once a month we had an auteur movie in theaters instead of once a year

I bet it would be cool and we’d forget all about Quata Tabadabo


was just listening to street fight and the dude made the same point about QT movies seeming better because of our shit movie culture

we could have movies this interesting every week without the misogyny or the crap nostalgia, but no you people enjoy super heroes

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:28 pm
by lockheed
How dare you

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:08 pm
by manvstrees
Marlon Rando wrote:
Marlon Rando wrote:do y’all ever wonder when you’re watching a movie by Quaton Taradino what it would be like if we gave other people money to make grownup movies, like if once a month we had an auteur movie in theaters instead of once a year

I bet it would be cool and we’d forget all about Quata Tabadabo


was just listening to street fight and the dude made the same point about QT movies seeming better because of our shit movie culture

we could have movies this interesting every week without the misogyny or the crap nostalgia, but no you people enjoy super heroes


Those aren't the problem

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:33 pm
by computer problems
yea. i think the disney monopoly that incubates the superhero movies is the problem not the movies themselves. also i think a lot of interesting movies do come out still in spite of it

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:41 pm
by Reliable Tradesman
I was so drunk during this that I don't even know if I saw it and maybe I just let someone tell me the entire story.

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:43 pm
by Marlon Rando
manvstrees wrote:
Marlon Rando wrote:
Marlon Rando wrote:do y’all ever wonder when you’re watching a movie by Quaton Taradino what it would be like if we gave other people money to make grownup movies, like if once a month we had an auteur movie in theaters instead of once a year

I bet it would be cool and we’d forget all about Quata Tabadabo


was just listening to street fight and the dude made the same point about QT movies seeming better because of our shit movie culture

we could have movies this interesting every week without the misogyny or the crap nostalgia, but no you people enjoy super heroes


Those aren't the problem


oh but you think there’s a problem and I’m not just “dum” right

do tell

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:47 pm
by Debbie
some of my best friends are half indian

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:10 pm
by Marlon Rando
computer problems wrote:yea. i think the disney monopoly that incubates the superhero movies is the problem not the movies themselves. also i think a lot of interesting movies do come out still in spite of it


these are all good points. I was just being lazy with the superhero gripe

I think the problem is that only a handful of people are allowed to make movies in the style QT makes them

so when people see a QT movie and the shots last longer than two seconds, or a scene lasts four minutes and doesn’t end with a bang, or there are some non-supernatural adults talking about their lives, then the moviegoer says hey I must be at one of those good movies, this must be a QUALITY MOVIE that I think is great

QT would be the dregs of a decent movie culture, a hack, but our world is such garbage he’s a genius

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:00 pm
by The Producer
I think that's an interesting approach to hating on him that I felt 10 years ago, except that this one's great in ways his 90s work was too when there wasnt that same context and it stands out as such, whereas his biggest mainstream/boxoffice hits/oscar-winners have been during the superhero era and function similar to superhero movies with implausibility and good/evil stakes and are pastiches of proto-superhero genre-oversaturating westerns - the real outlier that points to artist vs hack is Death Proof coming after Spiderman starting the problem and before MCU solidified it and everyone shitting on it for most of the same things this one's lauded for - plus when the kinds of artistically progressive movies it seems like youre hoping for are accessible via the mainstream - the Suspiria remake, PTA, recent Malicks - theyre not recognized as such by mainstream or arthouse audiences

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:09 am
by furrowed brow
Eh.

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:24 am
by manvstrees
basically hot take friday

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:59 am
by Marlon Rando
manvstrees wrote:basically hot take friday


aw your feelings got hurt because people said mean things about comic books

but you’re being so brave about it

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:07 am
by manvstrees
just kinda digging yourself deeper
you have to get past studio system and execs and also how this superhero wave isn't all that different from 80s/90s action movies before you can start on how culture sucks, since tv in general, and horror are both consistently putting out genuinely interesting and creative material and talent is consistently getting some money to create

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:08 am
by Rainbow Battle Kid
lol you're trashing superhero movies, a huge director who makes stuff UNlike the other popular stuff, and acting like moviegoers are just fooled into thinking they like his movies?

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:12 am
by manvstrees
they've all been duped they should just give that money to an auteur
-hipinion

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:12 am
by Rainbow Battle Kid
"no not that one"

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:27 am
by Marlon Rando
nah I liked this movie

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:31 am
by galactagogue
lol at the faith in QT-style movies that don't exist being almost certainly all better than QT movies. Like a condescension from a non-existent future.

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:33 am
by easy
Reliable Tradesman wrote:I was so drunk during this that I don't even know if I saw it and maybe I just let someone tell me the entire story.


this, to me, is known as "the ol' Atomic Blonde"

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:35 am
by Marlon Rando
manvstrees wrote:just kinda digging yourself deeper
you have to get past studio system and execs and also how this superhero wave isn't all that different from 80s/90s action movies before you can start on how culture sucks, since tv in general, and horror are both consistently putting out genuinely interesting and creative material and talent is consistently getting some money to create


I’m really talking about visual and narrative style

most horror movies are shot like superhero movies, and so when you have a movie that isn’t shot that way people think it’s far more special than it is

I don’t think anyone is being duped into liking QT. His contemporaries just make him look like a genius. The idea that he’s a genius is what I’m sick of.

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:39 am
by Marlon Rando
galactagogue wrote:lol at the faith in QT-style movies that don't exist being almost certainly all better than QT movies. Like a condescension from a non-existent future.


that’s pretty much accurate

I think we could have a much better movie culture than we do. I think our movies are appallingly bad.

like, in my movie culture someone like Miranda July would get money thrown at her to make a movie every year

and she would makemovies with long takes and non superheroes talking about their lives

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:39 am
by easy
Marlon Rando wrote:most horror movies are shot like superhero movies


wat

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:43 am
by Marlon Rando
yeah easy a lot of horror movies share a style with superhero movies and they both often involve supernatural characters

movies in the horror and action genres usually have short scenes that end with a loud noise

they’re a series of two-minute crescendoes

QT seems artistic by comparison

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:47 am
by Giuseppe Castiglione
another completely serviceable qt joint

this is trite, but pulp fiction is his only truly great film

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:06 am
by manvstrees
Marlon Rando wrote:most horror movies are shot like superhero movies, and so when you have a movie that isn’t shot that way people think it’s far more special than it is


not gonna parse this one

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:33 am
by Marlon Rando
yeah man let’s drop it, you don’t want to talk, you just want to snark bc I think superhero movies are lame

tell me what “that’s not the problem” means if you want to talk, parse that for me

Re: Tarantino IX: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:36 am
by came to wreck
no parse, all snark